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Hundo Kay
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Posted - 2011.11.29 21:30:00 -
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From http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice
Taxation
Tax % is taken off the material's taxable value.
This value is set by CCP and is based off the market values in November 2011 Import is always half of export tax
The taxable value are the same for all items in the same tier Advanced Commodities: 1,350,000.00 ISK Specialized Commodities: 70,000.00 ISK Refined Commodities: 9,000.00 ISK Basic commodities: 500.00 ISK Planet Resources: 5,00 ISK
Custom tax rates can be set based on corp to corp standings, as well as for alliance members or corp members.
So for your High Sec Factory planet.
Per Cycle
Import Tax (assuming importing Toxic Metal and Prec Metal) = (40+40)*500*.05 (half of 10%) = 2,000 Isk Export Tax = 5 * 9,000 *10% = 4,500 isk
Total Tax = 6,500 isk per cycle or 1300 isk per unit.
Should be easy to confirm the numbers.
So for a factory planet with say 24 factories.
24 factories * 6500 isk/cycle * 24 hours = 3.7M per day in taxes.
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Hundo Kay
Great White North Exploration Gryphon League
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Posted - 2011.11.29 21:35:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Yea the crappy thing is the valuation. it would have been nice if they had been updating the market value all along. Then there would not have been this major spike.
The question is how often will they reindex it? |

Hundo Kay
Great White North Exploration Gryphon League
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:30:00 -
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Rex Augustus wrote:Hundo Kay wrote:From http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOfficeTaxation Tax % is taken off the material's taxable value. This value is set by CCP and is based off the market values in November 2011 Import is always half of export tax The taxable value are the same for all items in the same tier Advanced Commodities: 1,350,000.00 ISK Specialized Commodities: 70,000.00 ISK Refined Commodities: 9,000.00 ISK Basic commodities: 500.00 ISK Planet Resources: 5,00 ISK Custom tax rates can be set based on corp to corp standings, as well as for alliance members or corp members. So for your High Sec Factory planet. Per Cycle Import Tax (assuming importing Toxic Metal and Prec Metal) = (40+40)*500*.05 (half of 10%) = 2,000 Isk Export Tax = 5 * 9,000 *10% = 4,500 isk Total Tax = 6,500 isk per cycle or 1300 isk per unit. Should be easy to confirm the numbers. So for a factory planet with say 24 factories. 24 factories * 6500 isk/cycle * 24 hours = 3.7M per day in taxes. You forgot a very, very critical tax point in here that =SOMEONE= is going to have to pay: P1 export. Your assumption is that there is no initial export of the P1 (I guess you're assuming market purchase?) If you are running P1 harvest planets too, you need to add in another 4000 isk per P2 factor. 24 factories * 10,500 isk/cycle * 24 hours = 6,048,000 isk per day in taxes. Hisec PI => nerfed. Hard.
Didn't forget it, just clearly stated it was for a factory planet.
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Hundo Kay
Great White North Exploration Gryphon League
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:56:00 -
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electrostatus wrote:I've compared the old taxes to the new ones. the minimum increase was 270%, and that was for the highest tier.
Here's the old taxes per unit for export: P0: 0.1 P1: 0.76 P2: 9.0 P3: 600.0 P4: 50000.0
and here's the new taxes per unit for export at 10%: P0: 0.5 P1: 50.0 P2: 900.0 P3: 7000.0 P4: 135000.0
So the new ones(at 10%) compared to the old, its really: P0: 500%*old P1: 6579%*old P2: 10000%*old P3: 1167%*old P4: 270%*old
These increases will be interesting to watch. This'll increase the cost of new POS's, then trickle down to moon goo, then T2 stuff. I foresee lots of complaints.
And make the tax rate 17% for WH and wow its a massive increase. |

Hundo Kay
Great White North Exploration Gryphon League
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:57:00 -
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Gritchee wrote:Lets see...right now I can sell coolant at around 7000 a unit. It costs me 9000 per unit to export.
hmmmm
No its 900 per unit. The 9000 is the valuation for the 10% tax |

Hundo Kay
Great White North Exploration Gryphon League
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Posted - 2011.11.30 14:39:00 -
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Real Wormhole Numbers
I sat down and plugged the numbers in.
My P1 to P3 factory planet in W-Space
Old Taxes
Import Tax - 25k units of 4 different P1 products - 9,500 isk each Export Tax - 930ish units of P3 - 560,000 isk
Total Tax per unit produced - about 650 isk
Value of Product - 45,000 average = about 1.4% tax on final product
New Taxes
Import Tax - 25k units of 4 different P1 products - 1,062,500 isk each Export Tax - 930ish units of P3 - 11M isk
Total Tax per unit produced - About 16k isk
Value of product to compensate for increased tax = 60k = about 26% tax on final product
So yes the tax burden just soared almost 150x, but the overall cost increase is about 33% to the final goods to cover the new tax. And that is Wormhole tax of 17%. Use HS numbers and it is lower.
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Hundo Kay
Great White North Exploration Gryphon League
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Posted - 2011.11.30 15:19:00 -
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Nevryn Takis wrote: Add a zero to the end of the robotics, uranium, and mech part prices, then recalculate ... the effect of the PI change is to double the price of the Tier 1 base commodity. Factor that into the price of all other tiers and you get the real impact of the change.
Howvever, as of last night the tax on importing 200K isk worth of T1 raw material to a planet is 100K ... so the effects are actually far more significant.
How is a worst case increase in 84 Isk in taxes going to lead to a doubling of P1 goods with an average price of 500-550isk? |

Hundo Kay
Great White North Exploration Gryphon League
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Posted - 2011.11.30 17:22:00 -
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Nevryn Takis wrote:Hundo Kay wrote:Nevryn Takis wrote: Add a zero to the end of the robotics, uranium, and mech part prices, then recalculate ... the effect of the PI change is to double the price of the Tier 1 base commodity. Factor that into the price of all other tiers and you get the real impact of the change.
Howvever, as of last night the tax on importing 200K isk worth of T1 raw material to a planet is 100K ... so the effects are actually far more significant.
How is a worst case increase in 84 Isk in taxes going to lead to a doubling of P1 goods with an average price of 500-550isk? Prior to the increase my T1 item is say 2isk to buy based on its low tax on export The real world change means that my 2 isk item will rise to 3.5 or 4 isk due to the doubling of the export tax add another 1 for the import tax and my base price is now 4.5 or 5 isk. So my P2 item which previously had a base cost of 3000 *2 = 6k now has a base cost of 3000 * 4.5 = 15k (approx) Assuming that previously the T2 sold for 10k to make a profit I now need to sell for 20k (ignoring the change in T2 tax) my 80 T2 items that previously cost 80k now cost 160K (ignoring tax change) so I now sell for 200k from 100k previously my 12 T3 items that previously cost 120K now cost 240K(ignoring tax change) so i now sell for 300K as opposed to 150K Whether you do this on a single planet is irrelavent - it all harks back to the "its free coz I mine it argument" its not. If you sell it for less than the cost to produce then its a loss, even if you're isk balance is posative after producing it.
First stop mixing tier and P levels.
Second, it has almost never been profitable to take P0 level products and export them. Most people make the P1 level product on the extraction planets. So the tax increase on P0 level is near meaningless.
Yes prices are going to have to go up and the poor high sec people will not be able to recoup it. Boo hoo.
The risk we will take with poco in w-space will be rewarded with allowing us to count as profit what you will have to try to pass on. |

Hundo Kay
Great White North Exploration Gryphon League
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Posted - 2011.11.30 22:20:00 -
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mnybag1 wrote:AyFourDee wrote:[quote=Jack Dant] 0.1 to 10 is not 9.8% If 100% = 1 than 1000% =10 Base was 1% Tax, riser this with 1000% (increase) it will become 10%Tax 1000% is a multiple of 10 I see it is confusing when using "%" for Tax and the Increase, i should have used The 10 times Multiple  When you say a tax increase you need to say the amount the taxes went up by, as in the taxes used to be 1%, now they are 10%, sp they went up 9%. When the government says theyre increasing taxes by 2%, they do not mean you will pay 35.7% instead of 35%, you will pay 37%. saying the tax went up 1000% to 10% total is a misleading and moronic approach to presenting numbers. Furthermore, using the above example. you need to do percant change formula which looks like this: (110-100.1)/110 = .09 or 9% increase.
I once had a boss tell us at the beginning of the meeting we were going to have a 2% pay cut in the coming year. We were paid on commission and our rate was being cut from 8% to 6%. Needless to say, my paycheck went down more than 2%.
The issue with the changes to PI are they did two things at once. The reindexed prices and they changed the rate.
So yes the Tax Rate went up, and the index went up. Now people are trying to attribute both increases to one factor. You have to seperate the two.
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